But, the founding fathers should be looked at as individuals, not as a group. There were some, like Hamilton (arguable if he was a founding father or not) that were absolutely a evil men. George Washington was not saint, as this post lays out. John Adams passed the Alien and Sedition act, the 19th century version of the Patriot Act. Other, not famous founding fathers died fighting in the war, or spend literally their whole fortunes in fighting for independence. Those individuals, who I sadly have to admit I do not know by name, can hardly be called cowards or your standard fair of politician.

What is important is that we learn for their mistakes and successes. What is true is that they produced probably the two best documents ever created by governments. They also created a nation that is unique in many ways in all of human history. We have 200+ years of advances in Austrian economics, anarchical theory, and libertarian thought that inform us so much better than were the founding fathers. We also have the, though the Internet and things like the open source software movement, living examples of how and why freedom can and does work. It is our job to learn these lessons and notto create a return to the american Republic, but instead achieve BETTER things than our founders.

I have an article today on LRC.

War, Secession, and Libertarianism

Usually libertarians tend to agree that war bolsters nationalism, props up taxes, and distorts the economy in a multitude of ways. There is also an increased probability of conscr…

The problem is that any minarchist position is subject to the creeping “little bit more” argument. When is it acceptable to compel people to defend the collective (AKA conscript them)? Is it okay when the Enemy is massing over yonder hill? How about if the Enemy is across the river? Or massing on the next continent? Whose word is to be taken on the identity of the Enemy and his supposedly threatening behavior? How do you define such questions of acceptability in a non-arbitrary manner?

Answer: You don’t. Fuzzy philosophy begets arbitrary and changing parameters, which in turn generate conflict and division.

Minarchist defenses of the Revolutionary War inevitably devolve to utilitarian defenses of state coercion. They rest on the sandy foundation of Outcome Utilitarianism, and such thinking can be tortured into accepting all manner of evil means in order to promote some (supposedly) beneficial ends.

Having said this, I seem to recall Mr. Kinsella agreeing with the idea that a collective judicial entity could compel a man to provide monetary support for his offspring. Given that monetary support is but a small part of the value a man can (but sometimes fails to) provide his children, and the fact that no collective entity can coerce a man into providing that which he does not himself have, the very notion of a court coercing a collective desire for provision of monetary support is itself another arbitrary employment of the fist of the mob.

The question that always requires an answer is this: Is the rule I propose worth killing someone over? In the final analysis, the rules of the state (from establishment of conscription to establishment of child support to seat belt laws) will be enforced by a loaded gun in the hand of someone willing to use it. Those who defend social controls (taxes, conscription, welfarism, etc.) argue in favor of killing people with whom they disagree, and the burden of proof is on them to justify such bloody intent.

Well that’s a given, and largely beside the point. Most libertarians who identify themselves as anarchist are well aware that they are a (albeit growing and progressively more vocal) minority in the movement. But whether or not a “great many libertarians” reach the same conclusions about a given claim has no bearing on the correctness or incorrectness of the claim itself.

I’ve also come across some minarchists who think a “limited” amount of taxation is permissible to maintain the minimal “night watchman” state, and I’ve also come across other minarchists who are adamantly opposed to taxation. But there is a burden on both of these “limited government” camps to reconcile the self-contradiction of their respective positions.

First we need to ask ourselves, what is taxation? Well, taxation is theft. Even if only a few people in society don’t want the so-called “services” provided by a government and therefore don’t want to pay the taxes that fund them, those few people are being robbed and that is morally wrong. Even those who say they don’t mind paying taxes are being robbed because they’ve never been given a choice in the first place and so their “consent” is meaningless considering that they’ve never been in the position of being free to reject government “services” and taxation. (On this, see Rad Geek’s excellent blog post, “Can Anybody Ever Consent to the State?” http://radgeek.com/gt/2009/01/08/can_anybody/)

So the minarchist who defends limited taxation to maintain their ideally minimal state is in the morally awkward position of defending “limited” theft and bullying. Sort of like proposing that a mugger be allowed to regularly steal only a few bucks out of your wallet each time they put their gun to your head instead of simply denouncing mugging.

The minarchists who defend the concept of a “limited” state and at the same time denounce taxation and instead propose strictly voluntary donations put themselves in the awkward position of defending something that simply does not comport with reality: If a government is run solely on donations, then people are free not to donate and instead seek similar services from other agencies competing in the market, which makes the minimal “government” no government at all but a market competitor. This is, in effect, market anarchy. If an agency initiates force against individuals in order to maintain itself as the only “provider” of certain protective services and establish itself as a “limited” government (in other words, a “limited” monopoly), then this calls into question the minarchist’s commitment to a gov’t being “limited” if he defends this. (On this, see the late Roy Childs’ open letter to Ayn Rand: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/childs1.html)

As for the Tea Parties, I don’t think it’s necessarily contradictory for an anarchist to support and attend these rallies, though that may depend upon the overall character of each rally. Based on what I’ve read, most of those things devolve into being more “Support The Troops” rallies than rallying cries against taxation (mass slaughter by government is funded by taxes–Surprise!!!), but there may be genuine opportunities for anarchists to make some progress in persuading sincerely anti-tax people to take their principles to their logical conclusion and adopt the anarchist view. Of course, some of these rallies may be less fertile grounds for such anarcho-conversion than others seeing as how they are organized and funded by the pro-Big Government GOP.

The fact of the matter is that probably 98% of people today would be utterly shocked by proposals for a government-less society. We anarchists shouldn’t let that restrict ourselves, especially when we see the opportunity to connect with some people who are genuinely outraged by at least some government policies to at least some degree. What’s the sense of singing only to the choir?

Do whatever you want. It’s your website. I certainly am not suggesting that you don’t state your point of view.

Most minarchists I’m familiar with don’t believe in conscription or taxes Perhaps, though I suspect that this heavily depends on whether you are willing to class as a minarchist someone who allows for taxes. This from Wiki:

In civics, minarchism (sometimes called minimal statism,[1] small government, or limited-government libertarianism[2]) refers to a political ideology which maintains that the state’s only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression.[2][3] Minarchists defend the existence of the state as a necessary evil,[1][4] but assert that it may only act to protect the life, liberty, and property of each individual. A minarchist state would therefore consist simply of courts, a military, and a police force—the mere components of a night watchman state. Generally, minarchists identify themselves within the broader libertarian movement.

There are a great many people in favor of minimum government who believe that no government with courts, police and military can be run without taxes, and therefore support taxes. There are other minarchists who think that the minimum government can be supported with donations. Since both of these views are consistent with the basic notion of minarchism as enunciated, both classes of people are minarchists.

What do you mean about my extolling the tea party website?

This: you don’t believe in a state. They do. They want to restore small republican states. What were those Minute Men fighting for at Lexington and Concord? A republic of largely independent states.

I’m an anarchist. You may not be. You are free to state your views. Should I not be free to state my mine?

Most minarchists I’m familiar with don’t believe in conscription or taxes or other actions engaged in by the Continental Army so pointing this out should give you minarchists pause, no?

What do you mean about my extolling the tea party website?

I understand that you are an anarcho-libertarian, and therefore you view the very existence of the state to be a criminal act. But there are a great many libertarians who do not come to the same conclusion you do about that. Given that reality, in commenting on another topic, something separate from the acceptability of a state as such, standard conversational courtesy in these situations suggests that either you restrain your references to such extraneous debated points (as the criminality of any state) so as to leave room for others to comment on the topic at hand without explicitly agreeing with your position on the state, or to at least postulate your position on the state as a hypothetical so that others can enter the debate agreeing to grant your hypothesis strictly for the issue at hand, though not more generally.

I don’t agree with the thesis that the state is a criminal act of its own nature, so naturally I don’t look at the acts of the Revolutionary period through the same lens. Without your assumption that the state is criminal, it does not follow as a matter of course that the acts the states and the union of them engaged in to become independent were criminal either. And if it does not follow as a matter of course, wouldn’t you have to argue to such a conclusion, rather than merely point out the so-called crimes that many people don’t think are crimes?

I don’t see why you extol the tea party website which proposes and prefers limited government, when you don’t believe in government at all. Seems odd.

There is a deep problem in libertarianism that hasn’t been addressed yet, how to create and maintain a libertarian society. Unfortunately, anarcho-capitalism probably won’t ever establish itself without purposeful effort and organization of some type. This is because the enemies of anarcho-capitalism will keep on organizing against it in significant numbers, and prevent it from happening on it’s own. The organizing principle of anarcho-capitalism must be anarcho-capitalist itself, and thus war is out of the question.

I think that principle should be ‘freedom communities’, secession and freedom enhancing businesses of the type described in ‘power,state and market.’ My idea of a ‘freedom community’ is an intentional libertarian community such as the ‘Free State’ project in NH.

Here is a plan help build the power and support necessary to do this, and regain freedom in our time:

http://politicalclassdismissed.com/teaparty/